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Alexandra Pope & Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer: Wise Power

Join Elayne Kalila, Alexandra Pope, and Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer, co-authors of Wild Power and Wise Power, as they dive into the wild, unruly, and revolutionary rite of passage known as menopause!

As you know, I’m on my personal menopausal journey and have been charting the wild waters of this rite of passage for the last nine years.

I’ve known of Alexandra’s book, Wild Genie, from years ago and was so excited to come across her most recent offering Wise Power: Discover the Liberating Power of Menopause to Awaken Authority, Purpose and Belonging.

In this conversation, we explore 5 phases that Alexandra and Sjanie have identified that can help us to navigate the powerful waters of our peri and menopausal journey. 

Some of what we dive into: 

  • The spiritual training of your menstrual cycle 
  • The reckoning: letting go of who you have been
  • How to prepare for menopause
  • The instability of perimenopause
  • The power of seeing in the dark

We travel far and wide looking at the cyclical intelligence of our bodies. We discuss how it can impact us to lose the map of our regular menstrual rhythm. and how this brings us into a period of deep reckoning and reconfiguration…

Buckle in!


Co‐directors of Red School, Alexandra Pope and Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer have developed a radical new approach to health and wellbeing, creativity, leadership and spiritual life, based on the power of the menstrual cycle.

Co‐authors of Wise Power: Discovering Power of Menopause to Awaken Authority Purpose and Belonging and Wild Power: Discover the Magic of Your Menstrual Cycle and Awaken the Feminine Path to Power. 

Together, they bring 45 years of researching and revealing the power of the menstrual cycle and the initiatory journey from menarche to menopause. 

They have created a new lexicon that describes this psychological and spiritual process, and in so doing have spearheaded this emerging new field of menstruality to support all people who menstruate.



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